As most people with MS know, before Dr. Zamboni came along, the biggest news to hit for MS is the development of new oral drugs to "help" control the progression of MS. This is important as up to this point the Disease Modifying Drugs (DMD's) have been either self injections or intravenous drips monthly in a hospital or clinic. These drugs actually do more damage than good in the long run due to their toxic nature. The side effects for most would be comparable to getting the flu. Not very fun when you get to feel like that 3 times a week.
After years of using these drugs, most have found little benefit. At most, 30%. They claim this as a good thing while ignoring that 70% actually got worse or died. Tysabri, the newest of the DMD's has been pulled for being linked to causing PLM, (progressive multifocal leukoencephalopathy) a potentially deadly brain infection. Then obviously with enough money passing hands, it is again allowed to be risking peoples lives.
So the pharmaceutical geniuses decided to come out with a pill that could do the same thing as the rest of the poisons. Well, with 2 deaths during their clinical trials, they succeeded with their goal. At least the PLM wasn't identified until after trials, this new one we already knew would kill you before it went to market. Luckily for some of us that have been able to get the CCSVI treatment we won't have to worry about being poisoned to death.
For the last few years, I have been stressing that we as patients are nothing but "cash cows" for doctors and pharmaceutical companies. A lot of people have a hard time believing this. I have even been openly attacked for saying such things by people that trust their doctors and they poisons they are fed. Of course these people have never bothered to verify or even ask if a drug is safe. They just take it and when they die they blame it on God. Probably why so many doctors think they are God, they are doing His work... prematurely of course. So for the people that believe the crap they are fed I am more than happy to share the following.
Yesterday I was sent a link to a message board thread on the pharmacafe.com website. This website is set up for pharmaceutical reps to.... well... basically discuss how to screw over other reps and patients. An MS patient looking for information on the new drug, Gilenya, and found something much more disturbing than just an unsecure message board. So in an effort to promote honesty, I will share some of the gems posted by the reps that visit your doctors. Also important to note is these cowards post as anonymous for their own safety.
The conversation is in regards to a story here http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-10-19/doctors-prescribed-novartis-gilenya-ms-pill-13-times-citi-says.html?cmpid=yhoo, that showed the dismal failure out the gate of the launch of Novartis' new "Wonder Drug".
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Don't forget, 13 Rx = $650,000 a year. First week is meaningless. Know how long it takes to get an appointment to see your neuro? Think general neuros want the waiting rooms filled with patients before they even get a grasp of monitoring and how to do it? We'll find some way to screw it up (like every launch), but this drug will make $$, and any rep who can't make a great bonus on this initial incentive plan is an idiot and should be made to trade places with any CV or neuro or Fanapt rep waiting for the ax to fall.... |
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I along with many collegues are not seeing the Rx's come in. These doctors are as frightened as they comen many more are not writing than are. And the folks that are writing a lot are very few and far between. Not hitting the panic button yet, but for a drug so anticipated no one is using it. MC tiers is not helping the situation either, but that's no excuse at the end of the day. And here come all the barrage of your a loser comments. I know, I know. But that doesn't change the fact nationwide this med is currently sluggish at best. |
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This is what you get, when you hire a bunch of idiots who know nothing about the MS market, reimbursement nor biologic therapy. I bet you, all 13 pts were from clinical study centers. Gilenya is priced 10% to 15% higher than Tysabri, and Neuros make money off its infusions. Next, over half the sales force has never sold MS products, let alone Biologics. But that's Novartis for ya, greed always rules the day. |
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I know! Come on every patient is different and there is a therapy for each patient. Maybe it's a weekly IM, or an every day or every other day injection. Maybe it's an oral. This launch means there is one more option for patients. Would I make the oral my first choice if I was an MS patient. Probably not unless the existing therapies with a safe track record did not work then I would take the risk.........my point is there are patients for this drug. |
Just some of the interesting things they say when they don't think anyone is watching. But of course, MS patients will always speak up.
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No wonder the drug isn't selling. What gives anyone the right to charge nearly $50,000/year for a drug regardless of its cost, to develop, orphan status, marketing expenses, doctor payoffs, etc. And you wonder why the medical care, insurance, pharma, biotech are so screwed up. Something is terribly wrong. |
The drug costs more than any of the other drugs. It is not covered by insurance. And it CAN kill as proven in their own trials. And they will keep pushing it with lies just like every other drug they sell.
So for the ones that still believe that the pharmaceutical companies are in it for you and not the money, you should seriously rethink the rest of your life. You can die a slow suffering death brought on by poisons and toxins. Remember, Ibuprofen is made of known carcinogens. Do you think they care what you take as long as they make money? The next option of course could be suicide as this would prevent some long term suffering as well as free up valuable breathing space. Or, you could grow a brain and see what these people are doing to you. Get off your anti-depressants. The reason they push the pills on you is to shut you up.
The entire thread can be found here http://www.cafepharma.com/boards/showthread.php?t=441892&page=2, and I will forewarn you that the MS patients have taken it over. But you can find gems like....
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We are all Cash Cows.

